Re: Ogo & New Deal!

Peter J. Claus (
Tue, 13 May 1997 07:32:46 -0700 (PDT)

This would be agreat idea. I agree that there is still a gap out there to
be filled. The 100/120 needs to be just a little bit larger and have a
backlit screen option, though. Virtually everything else gives it an
advantage over even more recent competition.

But I'm no engineer, nor venture capitalist, not marketer ....


On Tue, 13 May 1997, John Justin wrote:

> Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 08:35:18 -0700
> From: John Justin <>
> To:
> Subject: Ogo & New Deal!
> Has anyone considered taking a position in the Omnigo 100/120 handhelds?
> That is, buy the technology from HP, make some small modifications
> (possibly increased screen size, backlight, AC adapter/battery charger,
> auto backup to desktop, etc.) to the unit that would enhance its appeal,
> and go into manufacturing using HP's existing Omnigo tooling (and even
> leasing their facilities for a while, if possible).
> The ability to have applications that can run both on a handheld &
> desktop would be unique to both WinCE and Geos. The Pilot can't do it -
> and that's why I believe their penetration will saturate, and their
> success will be short lived. The Pilot will never be able to attack the
> vertical markets. The WinCE machines suffer from the unresolvable
> problem of battery usage due to their risc based processors (they can't
> even use a PC card effectively without an AC adapter, and all the apps
> that will come on line will definitely need to run on a PC card.)
> The Omnigo is a lot smaller and lighter than the WinCE machines. In
> addition, I believe that Omnigo can be made to be a lot less power
> hungry than it is. It's something that needs to be looked at. Geos was
> designed from its inception to run on less powerful machines (like the
> 80186). It seems that Geos, having taken the back seat to Windows for
> years, finally came of age and found its niche in the handheld arena.
> Unfortunately, the ball was fumbled by Geoworks. They panicked and ran
> off to re-write their OS to apparently run on any platform (Did HP drop
> the Omnigo because they learned that Geoworks was abandoning it for a
> rewrite? Who knows?). I'd be willing to bet that it will not be as lean
> and mean as Geos 2.0 presently is. What's more, a developer would have
> to have his head examined to run the risk of spending time, money, and
> resources developing for their new platform when they have the past
> track record of leaving their ISVs flat! There's much less risk in
> developing for WinCE with all the machines out there and with Microsoft
> behind it, even though it has certain shortcomings.
> On the other hand, there are a lot of developers out there (albeit
> dormant) that already have invested resources in Geos 2.0 that could
> pick up and write apps for Geos 2.0 at the drop of a hat.
> As I pointed out in another message, I have found that in selling my app
> that customers want to have the app run on a desktop as well, whether
> they need it or not, and whether it has any value to them or not! You
> cannot convince them, no matter how hard you try, and no matter how self
> contained your app is that they don't need to run it on their desktop!
> The point is that they paid $2500 for the God damned thing and they want
> to use it!
> New Deal and the Omnigo would be a marriage made in heaven with the
> proper marketing talent and resources behind it. It wouldn't take much!
> Also, for those die hard Win 95 and Win 3.1 users who want to run an
> Omnigo app on their desktop but resist the cluge of another OS (read New
> Deal), Geos could be run in engine mode in a DOS window! The user would
> be able to run his app without even realizing that he was running over
> Geos. Something that some of my customers do right now!
> I'd be willing to spearhead an effort in this direction.
> Regards,
> John Justin, MSEE, MBA
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